Anonymous, 06 Jun 2022"Synthetic" benchmarks use standard Vulkan or OpenGL...games should do to...it'... moreSamsung with Gos on or off it will throttle, its not Good measurement for sd 8 gen 1, Also Genshini has Vulkan which destroy my point. And as i said last Comment you need to see resolution numbers first, genshini render at different resoultion for different devices.
What resolution did 8100 render and what resolution did sd 8 gen 1 render?
Anonymous, 06 Jun 2022You talk about emulation.
Emulator use standard Opengl or Vulkan to emulate non-standard APIs... moreI know D8100 has better thermal, and thats because of X2 cores are not as efficient as Cortex A78, about Genshini you need to check Resolution too, i didnt confirm it but heared Chinese oem lower Genshini Resolution to Appear better on benchmarks.
About emulation i know Mmj improve Mali Gpu because of Weihuoya work, But still its Far behind Adreno. And for Developers its easy to work with adreno because of available resources, there is a reason why Gcam, Custom Rom, Open Gl, various Mods and lot of things work better on Snapdragon compare to mediatek, Exynos or kirin.
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022Those are synthetic benchmarks, they has nothing to do with Drivers. Seems you dont even under... more"Synthetic" benchmarks use standard Vulkan or OpenGL...games should do to...it's standard API, it's made for that!
You always talk about emulators...consoles use non-standard API. Phones aren't made to run non-standards API.
You can't critisize the exemple of a benchmark and at the same time give an exemple of emulator...it's an absolue non-sense.
But if you want real games : Golden Reviewer tested Genshin Impact or Apex Legend on Redmi K50 (G610mp6) and S22 Ultra (8 Gen 1 GOS Off). It provinces better framerate, better stability, better thermal, better power consumption.
Techtablets juste test Realme GT Neo 3 on Genshin Impact and say the same!
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022We all know about those anti Trust, the issue here is Signing contract to Oems to use only Qua... moreStill 0 devices with Dimensity 8100 or 9000 available un Europe!
Tons with 8 Gen 1 even if all OEM knows 8 Gen 1 is garbage. It was the same story with 888 or 810
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022No its Real, unless you dont know where it struggle. Mali Gpu really struggle in Open Gl, They... moreYou talk about emulation.
Emulator use standard Opengl or Vulkan to emulate non-standard APIs used on console.
That's the worst exemple you can get!
It depends on how developers code the non-standard part...
Sometime you can multiply your framerate by 3 on Mali by downloading MMJ or MMJr version's apk instead of using Adreno's focused on Playstore!
Now, Genshin Impact works better on Dimensity 8100's G610mp6 than on many 8 Gen 1 based devices (except gaming phones) due to thermal throttling
So now Qualcomm wants royalties from others like Apple and Mediatek if they own ARM. How selfish. Hope EU and others reject this.
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022Those are synthetic benchmarks, they has nothing to do with Drivers. Seems you dont even under... moreG78mp24 almost gives 85fps
That is something
IpsDisplay, 03 Jun 2022Qualcomm already got fined for these behaviours and got in series trouble with anti-trust etc ... moreDon't give apple credits, they don't deserve nothing but hate and Rip.
IpsDisplay, 03 Jun 2022Qualcomm already got fined for these behaviours and got in series trouble with anti-trust etc ... moreWe all know about those anti Trust, the issue here is Signing contract to Oems to use only Qualcomm for years like your claim.
Giving incentives to Oems by lowering royalities fees is different compare to forcing them to enter multi year contract.
And we have Common sense proof,
-Oneplus Nord CE has sd 750G, Nord Ce 2 has dimensity 900
-oneplus 9R has sd 870, 10R has dimensity 8100
-Galaxy A22 has G80 and A23 has sd 680
-A52 had 720G and A53 has exynos 1280 etc.
Every Series from Oem they change soc from one Supplier to Another, that clearly shows nothing Bind them to choose only Qualcomm, you can Clearly see Oem choose Best soc available.
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022I heared that, it was before time you quoted before.
But still no proof right? He was refer... moreQualcomm already got fined for these behaviours and got in series trouble with anti-trust etc
If you don't see this as proof alright then
IpsDisplay, 03 Jun 2022Here is the quote from about the 4 :45 mark
"Qualcomm ONLY sold chips to phone makers ... moreI heared that, it was before time you quoted before.
But still no proof right? He was refering to 2015 overheat issues and said oems didnt have a choice.
1. Mediatek didnt have comparable flagship soc at that time.
2. The only Comparable soc was Exynos 7420 and samsung went full Exynos there was no Snapdragon Variant in s6.
Amd that was issue which happened long time before.
Today everyone choose soc they like, we saw this year lot of flagship with dimensity 9000 amd 8100 why didnt Qualcomm sue them or refuse to sell to them sd 8 gen 1?
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022I watched the Video its same thing written in Article.
-Qualcomm give discount in royalitie... moreHere is the quote from about the 4 :45 mark
"Qualcomm ONLY sold chips to phone makers once they signed a massive multi year license agreement that would even increase if they chose to also ship phones with chips from competing modem makers like mediatek, so many companies had to stick with Qualcomm for their full portfolio "
Qualcomm then also threatened basically every major phone maker out there with immediately cutting them off of Snapdragon chips and modems if they wanted to stop their licensing payments or maybe go to court"
IpsDisplay, 03 Jun 2022Watch the quoted video I gave a link to it's not that hardI watched the Video its same thing written in Article.
-Qualcomm give discount in royalities if they Choose snapdragon over mediatek or Exynos. Lets say if they use Snapdragon royalities is 2% but if they use mtk its 5%.
Is it Anti-competitive? Yes it is and i dont Deny it, everyone here knows it.
What i want you to prove is Qualcomm Force Oem to sign multi year Contract to use Only Snapdragon soc whether its Good or Bad instead of Mtk or other Competitors. You keep writing this in every Qualcomm Article and you failed to prove it.
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2022There's the g78mp24, which blows Snapdragon by 35% in gpu
No phone manufacturers are o... moreThose are synthetic benchmarks, they has nothing to do with Drivers. Seems you dont even understand my point here.
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2022Problems with Mali aren't that real...
Problem is how Samsung used Arm's GPU (on bo... moreWhy would any one want garbage g78mp9, that's useless, less frames, can't handle genshin impact, lags.
I get 90fps with my S21Ultra, with custom made 3mm thick carbon fibre rear casing. Also rooted with Rom and Kerne. And from 900mhz overclocked too 1200mhz, voltage current are 4.2volts from 3.7.
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022No its Real, unless you dont know where it struggle. Mali Gpu really struggle in Open Gl, They... moreThere's the g78mp24, which blows Snapdragon by 35% in gpu
No phone manufacturers are or will use that, due too cost.
Mali destroy the Slowdragon.
The only gpu is stellar are by Power VR.
Cheating out on material too cool down gpu used by Samsung was cheap.
Look at sony pro-i, sony spent £90 on copper double chambers cooling, thick 2mm
Hemedans, 03 Jun 2022First Title is Wrong, Qualcomm Cellphone Domimance started Recently, snapdragon soc was Found... moreWatch the quoted video I gave a link to it's not that hard
IpsDisplay, 03 Jun 2022Firstly do you think your slick trying to use a straw man making this about the Dimensity 9000... moreFirst Title is Wrong, Qualcomm Cellphone Domimance started Recently, snapdragon soc was Founded 2007 which is less than 20 years Ago, and it was until 32bit era 2010 where Oems start moving to Android and around 2011 to 2014 they start to Dominate due do krait cores. So its Not true Qualcomm Dominated for 20 years.
I read that Article no where it say that Qualcomm Force Manufacture to Sign 4 years deal to use Only Qualcomm soc, like your claim before. Please quote it.
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2022Problems with Mali aren't that real...
Problem is how Samsung used Arm's GPU (on bo... moreNo its Real, unless you dont know where it struggle. Mali Gpu really struggle in Open Gl, They are ok with Vulkan.
Check Eta prime review of GDP XP lot of Gamecube/Wii and 3ds games are unplayable, it has G95/G96 with cortex A76, at same time those games can run on sd 720G/730G/732G which is equivalent Hardware in Snapdragon series, even Sd 665 can run lot of titles compare to G96.
Even Now We have Ps2 Emulator Aethersx2 old snapdragon like sd 845 has better compability and often beat modern Dimensity like 1200 which has both better cpu and Gpu.
Hemedans, 02 Jun 2022This, it doesnt have to Be just Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung, Apple, Nvidia and All Companies c... moreProblems with Mali aren't that real...
Problem is how Samsung used Arm's GPU (on both Exynos and Tensor)
Last year, Dimensity 1200 get better sustained framerates with G77mp9 compare to G78mp14 and G78mp20.
This year Dimensity 8100 get better sustained framerates with G610mp6 than many SD8 Gen 1 based devices (except gaming phones like Lenovo Legion, blackshark...).
Samsung destroyed Mali's reputation (Mediatek used smaller GPU in the past).
Now Samsung doesn't get better results with AMD
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